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'Racist' songs out of tune with society today



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With regard to your story last week, titled 'Racist' songs claim hits sour note, the fact that when George Formby sang his songs in the Thirties society tolerated/enjoyed them does not lessen the fact that they contained racist sentiments (OED: A belief in the theory that all members of each race possess characteristics distinguishing it as inferior/superior to another race).
The use of words such as chinky, yid, nigger, paki, wog, kaffir etc. etc. were all accepted and the attitudes expressed towards other races by huge numbers of society were seen as the norm.

However, as a society we have, thankfully, moved on. Thes
e sentiments and the language used are no longer accepted by society.

Mr Kilpatrick seems to consider the use of this language as "innocent" because they're "humorous and affectionate". That makes it alright then. I suggest he tries some of this language in parts of multicultural Britain (as opposed to largely monocultural Kelso).

Just because a "hysterical, New Age, politically conscious" couple try to reflect the feelings of society at large they are labelled, stigmatised and, in effect, ridiculed (Sound familiar? See above). Perhaps it would be better to be "Old Age, politically comatose"?

To suggest that if some of George Formby's material was banned this would lead to the banning of music hall, delta blues and Dixie minstrel etc. is a poor attempt to muddy the waters. Delta blues was passionate, very rude sometimes, possibly misogynist, but when was it racist?

As for Dixie minstrels, I'm sure no-one wishes to see the return of the Black and White Minstrel Show to our TVs which was thankfully removed from our television 30 years ago because "the show's premise began to be seen as offensive on account of its portrayal of blacked-up characters behaving in a stereotypical manner. A petition against it was received by the BBC in 1967, and since cancellation it has come to be seen more widely as an embarrassment, despite its popularity at the time" (Wikipedia).

For most of us, society has evolved.

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  • Last Updated: 08 May 2008 8:48 AM
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David Kilpatrick,

Kelso 10/05/2008 23:46:12
I'm not very happy to see words from two different sources mixed up as if they were one comment ("hysterical" etc) of mine, which they were not. I'm perfectly familiar with multicultural parts of Britain and no, I don't use words like "y*d, n*gger, pak*, w*g, kaffir etc" and amazingly enough, George Formby's songwriters were innocent of all but one of these (kaffir). I'm unaware of anyone singing any songs which contain the other words mentioned.

I have found this entire episode so ill-informed, prejudiced and judgemental that I decided to read through the entire Formby lyric canon looking for the problem. Guess what? It exists in four songs only (the Mr Wu songs are in no way racist) and in one of these - Keep Your Seats Please - the use is about as 'racist' as Noel Coward's 'Mad Dogs and Englishmen' lyric. In 'Wunga Bunga Boo' the word Zulu is used to describe a joke cannibal island.

There is one Formby song which is genuinely racist - 'Low-down Lazy Turk'. I've never heard this sung and it is quite extreme, a product of WWII anti-Turkish propaganda (which still colours British attitudes to Turkey). In another wartime song 'wops' is used for Italians (again, this is not a song I've ever heard sung). Finally, there is what might seem to be a 'racist' song about the French, until you read the lyrics and realise that the 'Froggie' is a Lancashire lad pretending to be a 'dirty Frenchie' because he thinks he can get the girls - in fact, it is making fun of Northern prejudices and ideas, not making fun of the French.

Reading the lyrics, it's obvious that Formby's most biting humour was aimed at himself and at Wigan folk. He does tend to hit on seaside postcard stereotypes - fat women, skinny bald men, wanton lasses. No doubt it's not politically correct, but it wouldn't be funny (then or now) if it was. Nor would a lot of comedy.

Finally, any ridicule brought down on the heads of the complainers is not from me. My words - quoted in the Southern - describing
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David Kilpatrick,

Kelso 10/05/2008 23:48:32
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describing them and describing Roger - were in a preamble to an official statement, sent by email, explaining that I felt this was a clash of personalities and should be ignored. The reporter chose to ignore the request only to use the words from the statement, and freely used the words from the preamble which was clearly intended as off-record. I wrote it in good faith as a qualified journalist and editor myself, to another journalist.

As chairman of the folk club, I have a duty to make everyone welcome and - occasionally - to try to encourage some performers, persuade more confident ones to allow space, and prevent arguments breaking out. I can't stop the odd member leaving early because they don't like someone else's music, and I can't stop people from saying what they think (it happens). But I can't allow ignorance and intolerance to censor a particular individual's choice of repertoire, by masquerading as a righteous crusade against racist language.

When referring to Dixie minstrel music I was not referring to the BBC show which has NOTHING to do with the travelling troupes of the 19th century USA! This is precisely what I was warning against.

Blues does contain words not unlike Formby's, from the same era: Robert Johnson, for example:

And I'm gettin' up in the morning, I believe I'll dust my broom (2x)
Girlfriend, the black man that you been lovin', girlfriend, can get my room

I'm gon' call up Chiney, she is my good girl over there (2x)
If I can't find her on Philippine's Island, she must be in Ethiopia somewhere

(Chinee, Philippine, Ethiopia used just to mean 'girl in some foreign land' - same way Formby's lyrics used 'Hindoos, Kaffirs and Zulus' to mean 'people all over the Commonwealth' - none of these three words implying any racial slur).

Race-hate is a real problem and making this out to have any relevance to race-hate trivialises the issue.

Everyone at the club is agreed that
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David Kilpatrick,

10/05/2008 23:50:11
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is agreed that Keith and Cate should feel welcome to be back again as normal. Their feelings are understood and they can not have expected the media reaction they got.

Sorry about the length of this, but you can not address serious misconceptions in a few words when sources need to be quoted.
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